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PostPosted: Saturday, 27.May.2017 01:48    Post subject: BB10 no longer supported issues   Reply with quote   

This is a continuation of this topic

http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=400691&sid=bb8511e5c741a87 61ed43efbe7499da1#400691

which was about issues as BB10 is no longer supported. This is continued here in order not to pollute the Sailfish forum with BB10 specific topics.

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Since I updated my Passport to 10.3.3 (which was many months ago) I can't recollect a single site that would give me any kind of certificate or encryption problems (which indeed was sometimes the case on 10.3.2).


Yes, I have flashed 10.3.3 on an old decommissioned Z10 and I don't see the same problems with the browser certificate there. I have not yet received the 10.3.3 update on my Passport. Blackberry claims they have issues with the 10.3.3 update and that is why I'm holding back with this update. Also using an autoloader on the Passport wipes everything you have stored, pictures, contacts, everything.

If you mess up, you cannot downgrade to 10.3.2 again for some reason.

So I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do. My Passport works fine except browser issues and I don't want to mess it up and I have a lot of stored files on it too.
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PostPosted: Monday, 29.May.2017 04:08    Post subject:   Reply with quote   

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Yes, I have flashed 10.3.3 on an old decommissioned Z10 and I don't see the same problems with the browser certificate there.

In 10.3.3 they made a lot of improvements to the browser, including its encryption and certificate support. Prior to 10.3.3, the browser was stubbornly refusing access to some websites. Some of them could be whitelisted by the user and then it would open them, but some just wouldn't be opened at all. Since 10.3.3 this problem is gone, I haven't encountered it even once.

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I have not yet received the 10.3.3 update on my Passport.

I got 10.3.3 update on my Passport many months ago. And then a few days later I got another update fixing some issues. Since then I haven't encountered any problems. My Passport's been working perfectly fine on 10.3.3 for more than half a year now.

I don't think that still waiting for the update makes any sense. Despite promises that updates would be served directly, BlackBerry never changed it and they are still dependant on network operator approval. As you probably can imagine, network operators no longer give a damn about testing and approving firmware updates for BB10 phones, so there are poor chances that it'll ever come.

As I mentioned, I got 10.3.3 for my Passport the day it came out, but I never got it for my Z10. As 10.3.3 worked great on my Passport, I got tired of waiting for it to come for my Z10 and I downloaded and flashed it myself. It took a few minutes and since then I can enjoy 10.3.3 on my Z10 too.

So trust me that it works perfectly fine (especially on the Passport which is much faster than the Z10) and don't waste time waiting for it anymore as it may never come. More than six months of using it on my Passport is more than enough for me to ASSURE you that it works just great.

Right, you can't go back to 10.3.2, but there's just no reason to ever do it.

You don't have to use the autoloader if you want to keep all your contents and settings. There are several "non-destructive" ways to update the OS without losing anything (e.g. using Sachesi). This is done in exactly the same way as the OTA update you normally get, the only difference is that you need to manually download the update files to your PC and then they are sent to the phone from your computer rather than directly from BlackBerry servers, but the actual update process on the device is done the very same way as via OTA, so the result is IDENTICAL as if it was the official OTA update.

Files needed to do such non-destructive update can either be downloaded to your computer from BlackBerry server (let me know your Passport version - e.g. SQW100-1 - and I'll give you direct links to the files), or can be extracted from the autoloader executable. Then you just place them all (radio, core OS, debrick/apps) in a folder and then drag&drop the folder into Sachesi and it automatically does all the rest.

If you need detailed instructions on how to do it, let me know. It's very simple and I updated the OS on my BB10 phones this way many times, as I never bothered to wait for OTA updates to arrive when leaked versions were already available.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, 12.Jul.2017 00:25    Post subject:   Reply with quote   

I think I'll take the 10.3.3 pill now. I tried to wait until Blackberry would release the official 10.3.3 but I think it will not happen and they will not even bother to with the update. So if you have the links it would be nice thank you (for SQW100-1).

The troubles with webpages are becoming annoying now.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, 12.Jul.2017 19:34    Post subject:   Reply with quote   

As I wrote, it's mostly because of no network operator approvals. After BBRY announced leaving BB10, only a few mobile networks bothered to test and approve the 10.3.3 update (and in most cases only the first release of it). So while the update itself has been ready and available from BlackBerry servers for ages, it just doesn't appear on your phone because it wasn't (and will never be) approved by your operator. So waiting for it makes no sense.

Which update method would you like to use? "Destructive" (autoloader, wiping everything) or "non-destructive" (keeping everything intact)?

Autoloaders are here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B3f5SPSADgrFMWdHeS1uLWNYRk0

(the autoloader file to download and then unzip is Passport_10.3.03.2205_SQW100-1-2-3-4.7z i.e. the third one listed)

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Or if you prefer the non-destrictive (OTA-like) way that keeps everything intact on the phone, then the best way to do it (as this way you get all the update files directly from the BlackBerry server and the update is done identically as via OTA) is as follows:

* Download Sachesi 2.0.3:

https://github.com/xsacha/Sachesi/releases/download/2.0.3/Sachesi2.0.3 -Windows.7z

* Enable Developer Mode on the phone, connect it to PC, run Sachesi

* Go to the "Search" tab in Sachesi, click "Show Settings" button

* Enter 302 as Country code, 610 as Carrier code and select Passport as Device and SQW-100 as Variant. This way you'll select a Canadian carrier which has the 10.3.3 OS update approved for the Passport.

* Click "Search" button

You should get the following in the box above:

Update 10.3.3.1463 available for SQW 100-1!
OS: 10.3.3.2205 Radio: 10.3.3.2206


Now right-click anywhere on the file list and select "Check All" from the context menu, then click the "Download" button below.

Now simply wait until all files get downloaded to a folder automatically created (and named as the firmware version) in the folder where you have Sachesi installed.

Last step: with device connected, now switch to the "Install" tab in Sachesi, in Windows find the folder where all the files got downloaded, and then simply drag & drop the whole folder containing all downloaded files onto the "Install" tab.

Your phone will display "Update in progress" and after some half an hour or so you will have the OS updated just like if you got an official OTA update.

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As I said, this is the best way as all the files get downloaded directly from BlackBerry servers and the update itself is done in the same way as OTA.

If you have any questions or problems, let me know.
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PostPosted: Thursday, 13.Jul.2017 19:49    Post subject:   Reply with quote   

Thank you and the upgrade seems to have gone well with Sachesi. The browser is a little bit snappier now, especially for those pages which use scripting. Gmail became faster but Google maps is still unusable and hangs in the browser. That was the last update I did with BB10 unfortunately since it is EOL just like Symbian.

We will see how long the Passport can be useful without any browser updates. If I find any more problems I will post them here.
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Well, of course it depends on one's personal needs, but for me the Passport is 100% sufficient and satisfactory for now and at least one more year if not longer. Its performance is more than OK, it's stable and secure. Not to even mention its outstanding build quality.

I have Android 7.1 (Lineage 14) installed on my Nexus and although Android's functionality and user experience has very seriously improved (to the point that I can honestly say that I like it), it is still very unstable and insecure, beyond what I could consider switching to.

It is shocking for me to hear that new Android version will get a special "Panic Mode" to allow quickly stopping all malicious apps in the background. For a BB10 user it is just UNBELIEVABLE that anything like that can be needed in a commercial OS. Since I started using BB10 4.5 years ago I haven't heard of a SINGLE security threat on it.

Why would I care about whether BB10 is still developed or not, as long as it just works? Apps? Either I make what I need myself or I can always install an Android app, majority of which work just fine on the Passport (maybe not as fast as on Android devices but still). What else?

If the built-in browser is not enough for you, why not try installing the latest Chrome or Firefox for Android?

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Gmail became faster but Google maps is still unusable and hangs in the browser.


Hmmm.... I don't know why. It works for me perfectly fine. Both in the browser itself and in several apps of mine (EasyStreetView, GeoCoder, etc.) which access Google Maps via WebView, i.e. actually also the web browser, just "encapsulated" within the app. No problems whatsoever, other than that Street View is now terribly slow after Google switched to a new renderer that uses some idiotic transitions and effects slowing everything down for no sane reason.

Maybe try to clear the browser's cache...
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Just one comment regarding Lineage OS: If it is unstable I would say that it is because of device specific issues. There are difference in driver support and availability between Android devices and if we are talking about an older pre-Snapdragon 810 device, it is more evident since Qualcomm doesn't made updated drivers for Nougat/7.x.

My Xiaomi Mi Max is completely stable under 7.1.2 with the latest August security patch but my Xperia Z Ultra doesn't have a reliable Nougat available due to a combination of factors.

If there's an idea and desire to run Android Nougat in a more stable way I would recommend a newer 2016/2017 device with Snapdragon 625/626, 630, 650/652, 660 or 8xx series (820/821 or 835836). Those chipsets are fully supported, resulting in proper operation of Lineage OS.

Privacy Guard is an excellent tool for dealing with permissions and I would say that malware can be avoided as well (most malware come in through questionable sources).

I would say that "malware on Android" is a bit of an overrated issue, fed by journalists. Yes, there are issues with the system and they can be discussed etc but it is a lack of caution that cause typical infections. It is like computers - you can get adware and other stuff if you browse certain sites and click on "install" on everything.

The problem is that even if you secure the system to the max a reckless user can still cause problems by installing and allowing dangerous permissions. A typical example is a "screensaver" with permission to read contacts AND connect to the Internet (and a user granting both).
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PostPosted: Sunday, 20.Aug.2017 16:10    Post subject:   Reply with quote   

Well, regardless of the OS, I'm wondering what does the QA in an app store exist for if it doesn't reject as obvious threats as e.g. a screensaver reading contacts and sending them out. If the QA process doesn't rule out even such basic things then it only wastes time and delays app submissions.

Permissions are the most important mechanism to protect the user from malicious app behaviour, so verification if an app uses permissions it doesn't need for any officially advertised functionality (and if so then checking what are they used for) should be the most basic QA test, especially if it is well known how careless majority of users are when it comes to accepting all permissions an app requests.

It looks that in Google Play there is no proper QA and instead of that they released a funny app to substitute for it, which of course will help only those who will have that app installed.

Anyway, I am NOT denying that Android has made a huge progress when it comes to both stability and security. It certainly did. But for a BB Passport user it just still isn't on par, which shows how good BB10 (not really developed since early 2015 or so) must have been as an OS if in H2 2017 it still delivers full usability and security on its 2014 hardware and 2015 software.

It is like an Amiga. I recently needed to make a 3D animation and guess what: I launched WinUAE with Amiga OS 3 from early '90s, started some ancient Lightwave 5.0 in it and within 2 hours I created and fully rendered an amazingly good looking animation in 1080p, not any worse (and not really much slower) than any modern raytracing software on PC would deliver. That's how good it was. It only lacked performance due to no new hardware since early '90s, but now that WinUAE on a fast PC provides emulation performance in the ~200 times the speed of an Amiga 4000 range (and that only because WinUAE doesn't make use of multiple cores, or else on my 6-core Xeon the emulated Amiga speed would probably be around 1000 times the Amiga 4000) it is actually 100% usable. A good OS can remain usable over decades if only there's a sufficiently fast hardware to run it on, whereas a poor OS is poor even on a dedicated latest and greatest hardware...
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PostPosted: Sunday, 20.Aug.2017 18:10    Post subject:   Reply with quote   

I fully agree regarding the Amiga. I would also agree when we are talking BB10.x.

There's just one mobile operating system I have a hard time to accept "benefits" with and it is the iOS and it is purely because of Apple hype/propaganda and air-head users trying to claim how "superior" it is (Hintry.... and there's people like him now in 2017, using similar arguments).

My take on Android is that it gets things done BUT there's a need for a new, better player. Some people try to insist to the next ice age that "iOS are better" but that system just isn't and their arguments are ignorant (at best). A system improving on the flexibility of Android and pair it with further enhancement and refinement would be more than welcome.

I think such a system will come eventually but perhaps from China or Russia (perhaps Sailfish based), while I am a bit skeptical about the prospects for a "western" player here due to a lot of hype and propaganda that seems to aim for an Apple/Google duopoly (hence a lot of flawed statements about other platforms).

Amiga OS would be excellent as a portable multi-purpose OS and platform since it is fast, resource efficient, safe and secure and reliable paired with a very high degree of flexibility. I.e. the complete opposite of the "Apple walled garden".

The border to idiocy are crossed when statements about "iOS is the best platform" and "iPhone is the best device in the market" enter the scene. If there are one system with a lot of problematic concepts (including having ignorance as its bread and butter), that one is the number 1.

Some people insist that their iPhone is "so power efficient" and on further questioning it turns out that it "looses a few percents every night" - my Android device consume 0.0-0.1% per hour...

I was considering BB10.x and tried the PassPort but were a bit put off by the events going on at BB at the time and also that the platform was strictly tied to just one brand. I don't believe in "in-house" platforms but rather open ones with broad backing. It is fatal when a system is just in hands of one company.
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PostPosted: Wednesday, 23.Aug.2017 23:59    Post subject:   Reply with quote   

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Some people insist that their iPhone is "so power efficient" and on further questioning it turns out that it "looses a few percents every night"

Well, such things excite them only because they have no clue about how it is on competing products. I go to sleep with my Passport fully charged and when I wake up and turn off the Bedside Mode it still has between 100%-99%.

Currently, all smartphones are based on almost identical ARM-based SoCs, so it would actually be strange if their power efficiency differed much. Apple has absolutely nothing different in that area, but the hype that they're the best, that is.

As for Amiga OS, now that WinUAE provides emulation speeds in the range of hundreds of times faster than the fastest Amiga ever made, it is really a pleasure to launch it and really USE it, not just play with it for nostalgic reasons. As I wrote, I recently rendered a HD video with it and the result was of the same quality as what I could achieve on PC. Instead of buying (and having to learn from scratch) programs for Windows, I can use Amiga applications I've been familiar with for 20 years. After over two decades, there's still nothing really missing (at least for my needs) when it comes to applications such as Real3D, Lightwave, Scala MM, and dozens of others. They've been supporting 32-bit RTG graphics and HD resolutions since long before any Windows app could go beyond VGA.

My Amiga emulated in WinUAE has a lightning-fast 1600x900 32-bit desktop, 68060 CPU (which benchmarking tools estimate at ~1800 MHz), gigabytes of memory, 48 kHz 16-bit sound.... i.e. a configuration that exceeds many current PCs. It is enough to say that the whole system boots in.... 2-3 seconds Very Happy It's almost scary to think what will happen if one day WinUAE utilizes the combined speed of all CPU cores and not just one. On a 6-core Xeon in my desktop (and not much less on 4-core i7 in my laptop) it would make the emulated Amiga reach the speed of light...

And all that thanks to mainly one person - Toni Wilen (maker of WinUAE) who for years has been doing miracles. He completely redefined the meaning of "emulation". Not only WinUAE now emulates all hardware components (all processors, all chipset versions, etc.) but for several years Toni has been adding support for all kinds of hardware accessories ever made for the Amiga - all kinds of expansion cards (gfx, music, video, etc.), accelerators, interfaces, literally everything. And you can freely mix it up, almost without any limitations. Toni has also added great PowerPC emulation, which not only allows running PPC apps in Amiga OS 3.x but also fully supports Amiga OS 4.1FE. So within one emulator you get support for the whole history (and actually also future) of Amiga and you can switch between all imaginable configurations with one mouse click. It is so good and so fast that it fully replaces any modern hardware one might want to have to run Amiga OS on...

But that's not all. A project known as Natami (making a next-gen Amiga hardware with today's speed and up-to-date chipset providing powerful graphics and music capabilities) which never went into commercial stage (although there were prototypes working really nicely) has been picked up by a company called Apollo (makers of accelerators for Amigas) and implemented in an FPGA. In just a few months they will release Vampire V4 (both as cards for existing Amigas and as a standalone, fully functional device) which will provide "68080" CPU (an improved and much faster 68060) and "SAGA" chipset (a much enhanced and improved next-gen AGA with RTG graphics and digital HD output) on a small board not much bigger than the Raspberry Pi. The speed will be in the range of 10-20 times the Amiga 4000, but that's only due to economical reasons - they decided to use Altera Cyclone V5 FPGA because it is cheap (around $110). But already now there are FPGAs (like eg. the Arria10 / Stratix 10) which with the same Amiga core put into it would deliver DOZENS of times higher speeds, exceeding what WinUAE delivers on a 5 GHz Intel. The only problem for now is that those fast FPGAs are still very expensive ($350-500) and that's why Apollo did not use them, but of course it's only a matter of time when they'll become affordable. So while a very fast FPGA-based Amiga with modern graphics is just a few months away, probably in not much longer than a year or two there will be an FPGA-based Amiga matching the speed of modern PCs. And all that 25 years after Commodore went belly up. Isn't that amazing?
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Everything Amiga OS related is interesting to me and I will look into getting UAE setup and running. I like the system generally speaking and have a lot of Amiga magazines in print and also digitized and read the Swedish SUGA one frequently (Swedish UserGroup of Amiga, I think the oldest one about said computer).

The best part with that system is its flexibility and power efficiency paired with a good looking UI and logical operation (i.e. easy to use for everything from simple to advanced tasks as long as the brain is working, which isn't a given in todays world...).

I would like an ARM based Amiga OS running on Snapdragon devices from 6.44-7 inch phablets up to full size desktop computers (all ARM based). I think the Workbench is fully operational on all those form factors and adding a contextual launcher would be easy if need be.

I also like that it has the GUI AND CLI together with Rexx (ARexx) for scripting so tasks can be automated (important to me since I like automation, especially on my device).

Another feeling I have is that the current Amiga OS is power efficient also on ARM hardware even if it can be discussed whether a "standby mode" is necessary or not (considering that the system is designed to run on regular computers).

If I would be able to get a 7 inch Amiga with a landscape keyboard and stylus control, which I can dock to a bigger screen and everything I would be all over it and switch from Android in an instant.

The system simply fulfill the requirements I have. One thing I would like to add is open source, though since I feel that it could be even better if the code is under constant enhancement and "peer review".

The reason why Amiga OS is still around is simply because... it is a great, efficient system and it has been liberated from the Commodore hardware.

It is also a solid quality product made by people with a strong vision of usability, reliability and flexibility - i.e. a "next generation" and "more refined" platform even if it had humble beginnings (the Lorraine was mostly meant for games before it turned into a full-blown computer - I want to remember that the prototype had a cartridge port). So it was lucky the project went from "gaming system" to "multimedia computer".

There's another side-effect of such a system: It is a litmus test of intelligence. Ignorant people don't get it and are "content" with something like iOS. Demanding and intelligent free thinkers want more and a system like Amiga OS comes in handy. It is "simple" in the good sense (i.e. logical, fast workflow) but without the drawbacks (i.e. Apple "simplicity" where everything must be locked down).
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Don't forget to enable JIT as it increases emulation speed by tens of times.
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